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Aug142008

insanity, perhaps

There have been times, when I felt I would go insane with grief.

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               "Then, Kathy, a scientist, told me a ghost story. Her bravery in sharing this story touched me. Five years after Meaghan's death, shortly after settling into a new home, Kathy awoke in the middle of the night. In the darkness she saw the apparition of a curly haired girl who looked under the bed, into the closet, and then vanished. The girl was about the age her daughter would have been.

"One thought ran through my mind," Kathy said, "I though, My God, Maeghan's with us all along. We had moved and she was checking out the new digs."

Did Kathy really see the ghost? I think she did, yet I don't know. But I will tell you this: In the middle of the night, I watch."

Lorraine Ash, "Life Touches Life: A Mother's Story of Stillbirth and Healing"

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After reading that story, I watched too. In the middle of the night. I opened my eyes, and I searched, intently, for any movements. I pricked up my ears, and I listened, for any whisperings. I never breathed a word of that to anybody. They would think I am insane. Totally insane.

I felt insane. I needed desperately to connect with my son, whom I was supposed to be cradling, nursing, loving. Instead, I am told he's gone. Gone where? Is there an address? Is there a number I can call and talk to him?

(Insane.)

Even though I felt him in my heart, and sometimes it feels as if he is still in my womb, I yearned for a more "tangible" connection. I wondered, is there a way we can visit, and talk? And not just by way of fantasy and imagination?

Then my friend L told me that he visited her one evening, just when she was getting ready for bed. She told me he came and sat next to her on the bed. He was about four years old. Looked like my older daughter and looked peaceful and smiled and bowed to her with his hands in prayer to the heart. He said that he had been trying to talk to me but I could not hear him. (That devastated me.) He also told her he sent his love and that his Light wished to return one day. She was shocked, not expecting that, and she asked him if she could let me hear this and he said YES. So she told me the following morning.

L had said before that since young she could see and hear things. Do I believe her? I do. I want to. Needed to.

I know, insane. There is no way to verify. Only the choice to believe, or not.

But I did not think L saw a ghost of my son. In my system of beliefs, there are souls and spirits. I believe it was my son's spirit whom she saw, and communicated with.

Insane? Perhaps. Or perhaps, absolutely totally- insane.

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I just wish, that his soul had come to visit with me. I could not understand how was it that I could not hear him? Though I have to admit, my mind had been busy with so many thoughts since he died. I am not present, even though I am "here." And, I am not as intuitive as my friend L.

I still wait, I still watch, I still listen. I am not sure if that makes me insane. I guess it depends on who you ask.


Do you have a "ghost story" too? Do you believe in souls or spirits visiting? Do you think such things are just insanity?

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I've had plenty of otherworldly experiences through Liam's life and passing, and since. Nothing that I'd qualify as ghostlike but a presence that I'm trying not to think about too much - like those faint stars that you don't see head-on, but only if you turn your head away and open up your peripheral vision.

Falling asleep I've had my own tired, sore eyes play tricks on me, and sometimes have rubbed them and tried to ignore it... other times, I've focused on the movement, eyes shut in darkness but seeing light form and shift, willing it to take some kind of shape, to impart some kind of message. Sometimes it does, sometimes not.

The cerebral part of me says "you see what you want to see" and credits moments like this to chance or circumstance or an overactive imagination but then my heart thinks, "why not?" and I try to stay open.

I try to imagine myself on the other side, sending love across a dimension, and the object of that love being blind and deaf and unwilling to set aside doubt and just explore.

I've also been sorely tempted to connect with someone like a reiki practitioner or medium.. I still don't know what I'd want them to say, but I'm curious anyway.

Provoking post janis...
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkate
I have -- both a friend of the family, who was elderly when she passed away, and my brother, for a few years after his death. It's hard explaining that to people, saying it out loud in a way that doesn't come off like a joke. But I do believe it.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterN
I have never felt anything. There have been coincidences in nature that I have wanted to believe were something more. But I have never really felt any sort of magical connection myself. Perhaps it is another on a growing list of my failings as their mother. Sometimes it feels that way.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCatherine
Both my mom and husband have been visited by loved one's. Not me.

My mom had her gran and her mom in law come to her bedside and tell her it was all ok.

My husband has been visited in his dreams by his mom, telling him she was fine....that his dad was ok too.

he dreams a lot about her..and she is clearly dead...talks about it.

me..nothing.
never dreamed about my dad..nothing.

Have seen ghost cats though..that was about it.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCrunchy Carpets
Thank you for the beautiful post.

When I had my miscarriage I tried to look for signs of this mere embryo, this baby that never came to be, and I never saw anything. But sometimes the wind would blow just right, and the leaves would dance. I would think, is this him?

A few days after my miscarriage my husband and I were taking a drive at night, and the wind let loose a gentle breeze. Flowers fell from the tree above us, and one drifted through my car window and into my hand. I don't think it was my lost one, not with my logical mind, but I want to believe it was him. I want to believe it was the great spirit, my guardian spirits, my son, someone telling me that it's going to be okay. He's okay.

And though in the back of my mind I say, "It was just the wind."
There's a part of me that says, "No, that was my Sebastian."

And I like to think it was him.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterStephanie
My mother was almost into the second trimester. She awoke late one night with the feeling that someone was watching her. As her eyes adjusted to the gloom, she saw a baby who appeared to be around one year of age, dressed only in a diaper. He was carrying a lunchbox as he approached her side as she lay in the bed. She knew intuitively that he was her unborn son. He held out an apple to her and said, "I saved it for you, Mommy. I have to go now and I will miss you. But don't be sad, because soon things will be different." With that, he turned around and walked down the hall, turning once to smile and wave goodbye before fading away.

The next day, my mom miscarried. That loss was the hardest physically but emotionally, she felt oddly comforted by her son's promise of change.

Three months later, she was pregnant again, and 9 months later, I was born.

To this day, my mother contends that the encounter with her son's spirit was not a dream. I believe her, and I believe that it really was my brother's soul.

My mother's story always comforted me with the idea that even when left behind we aren't left alone. If...if anything ever happened to my children or to my husband, I too would watch, listen, and wait.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterKymberli
Oh how wonderful it would be to be visited. It has never happened to me yet. I believe we will find each other again someday.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRosepetal
There was a time soon after the loss of our daughter that I was lying in bed, distraught and wondering if she knew how much I loved her. I didn't see here there, but I felt a very strong presence in my room, and it was like she whispered to me, "Mom, I know."

That reassurance has given me a lot of comfort the past few months.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterS.
I was babysitting for a friend's daughter while my friend went to the hospital to have a baby. The daughter, P, and I were asleep in separate bedrooms, but in the middle of the night, I was awakened by something I can't explain. I just shot right out of bed. Right after that, P woke up too and she burst out crying, then went right back to sleep. It turns out that my friend's son was born at almost exactly the time that P and I woke up. Based on the Jewish religion, the soul apparently enters the body as it travels through the birth canal (or the uterus in case of a C, I guess). I have always felt like the thing that woke P and I up was my friends son's spirit whizzing by on his way to inhabit his body.

Another time, in college, I woke in the middle of the night to what felt like something sitting on the edge of my bed. It sounded like it was breathing. That would normally terrify me, but I immediately knew that I shouldn't feel frightened. I had the strange sensation that it was my father's spirit, sitting by my side and visiting. He was gone shortly after that. I remember feeling warm, safe, calm and completely unafraid.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterdebbie
I wish I believed in souls or spirits visiting because it would give me a lot of comfort thinking that my son might visit me or give me a sign. (On the other hand, it could drive me insane waiting and wondering why he hasn't visited.) But I don't believe in such things.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJill
I haven't had any supernatural experiences, but I did dream in my 23rd week of pregnancy that Charlotte was born the next week. At the time I thought the dream was silly, because I wasn't sick at the time and her birth was supposedly months away. When I in fact did have her the next week, I vaguely recalled my dream. My doctor called it "mother's intuition".

Now, every night I wish that I will dream of Charlotte. I never have.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterHeather
There have been a few moments . . .

Feeling like I had some little person following me around and that I could catch sight of them if I turned quickly enough during my 1st pregnancy after my 1st miscarriage. I lost that baby too and the morning after my d&c never felt that little following presence again.

My firstborn and first living child telling me one of my lost babies he knew, knew was a girl and that her name was Carena and "I played with her before I was born." Him being 5 and not knowing one single Carena in real life.

The warm encircling feeling I felt about my shoulders when I was falling apart in the doctor's office after finding out another one of my babies no longer had a heartbeat, and after I had cried out saying I needed to be held.

My mother giving me a framed piece of art with 5 cherubs nestled together the year after I had my 5th miscarriage. Then, a friend met over the internet and never in real life, several years later sending me a book with the same 5 cherubs on the cover, not knowing.

Other moments - smaller, briefer, more fleeting moments - but no less moving. Little hints, reminders, nudges, letting me know that they are never far off.
August 14, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJuliaS
Your stories sent goosebumps marching all over me, esp yours, Kymberli. Thank you. I know it was hard for me to share, because there is some stigma around this; so I am glad you came forth to share. I feel less like a loon for believing. :-)

Kate, I loved what you said about imagining yourself on the other side, trying to send love.
I think I might have been "closed" to such things before. I hear so often amongst my own family of vivid dreams and messages from those who have died (esp my grandfather) but I've never had any, and wondered if I am not favored, neglected, or something.
But after F died, I vowed to be open.
August 15, 2008 | Registered Commenterjanis
The night before my son died, I had a vivid dream that the baby was coming early, was a boy, and that the doctors attending me told me he was transverse and would need to be delivered by C-section. I told the doctors in my dream that they were wrong, and that we were being attended by a midwife, that we would not be requiring their services, in fact demanded they remove themselves from my presence, screaming that our baby would be fine. And in my dream, the midwife did deliver him, and he was fine, and he was beautiful. The next morning I told my husband about the dream, and how sure I now was that our baby was a boy, but haha, isn't that funny though that I dreamed the baby was coming early, good thing that was just a dream.

The next evening, our son was born via c-section, in part because of a transverse lay, in a hospital far from home, and died shortly after.

I dont know how to explain this. I know part of it was because I had had a series of BH contractions a few days earlier that lasted much of the day but never progressed farther than that, so premature delivery was on my mind. But the rest of the details?

I dont know.
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterCynthia
a few days after one of my first-term miscarriages i dreamt about a young boy, who in the course of my dream (picture this like a fast-forwarded film) went from being a chubby baby to a toddler to a preschooler to a kid. he was a gorgeous boy, with curly brunette locks and rosy cheeks. i felt that i knew he was the child i had just lost, and it brought me some peace of mind.

after effie died i wanted more than anything (anything except not to have lost her) to see her in a dream. i never did.

months after her delivery i told my therapist about this dream: i was walking down the street, holding the hand of a little girl who was about five. she had blonde wavy hair and very sharply defined features. she was mac's daughter, not mine, and in fact looked more like one his exes than she looked like him (or me, for that matter.) for reasons that were not clear to me i was taking her to live with another family. well, not a family, but a pastor. i was talking to her about how her life would be different but it would still be good.

when we got to the pastor's house i learned that he still lived with his aging mother. that made me uncomfortable. the house made me uncomfortable. suddenly the whole thing made me uncomfortable. i wasn't supposed to be bringing this child here. everything was wrong. i was wrong to tell her that her life would still be good. there was no way i could leave her here. i didn't know what to do though. my job was to leave her, but i didn't feel right doing it.

holding my hand, standing in the kitchen of her new home, she looked up at me and said, "it's ok. everything will be ok."

when i told my therapist about this dream i burst into tears. i still don't *feel* that the dream-child was effie -- and i don't think that's just denial, because i would love to believe that it was her. but i *do* feel that as much as i want to see her in a dream i'm not fully open to it. it's a bit like wanting to see her after she was delivered: i really wanted to, but was so frightened of what she would look like.

i really have no idea what i believe about souls and spirits; in this regard, i have a hard time reconciling the distance between my brain and my heart. but i have no problem believing and hoping that my daughters will come to me in dreams. it's just that they seem not to.
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterscribblette
Actually, that's interesting... a few of you have said that you dreamt of your baby being born early or traumatically - so did I.

I saw them in their incubators, in a dream, but a couple of months before they were born. I saw them premature, tiny, purple.. I remember seeing their legs and arms and being shocked at how they were so small, that they had no baby-pudge to the point where they were all knees and elbows and feet all folded up, unmoving, which is how they both looked.

I also dreamed that they were aliens - because they had huge eyes that were black, with no whites. This is also how they looked, all-eyeball.

And I knew I wasn't going to deliver vaginally. The whole time, I was trying to prepare myself for a catastrophic c-section. I just had a feeling it would happen urgently, and that it would be the antithesis of within my control...
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkate
I had a dream after my brother died that I was following him up a long white hall with a lot of doors. I was yelling at him to stop and wait up. He turned and looked at me and then went through a door. As I opened the door to go in behind him, I woke up. My brother died suddenly in a car crash and I never got to say goodbye. I think that I was trying to tell him goodbye in my dream and he wouldn't let me. He never liked goodbyes. A year later I had a miscarriage in my second month. I had a dream a few months later about a little girl that had long stick straight brown hair and a pretty blue dress on. She played with me in a big Victorian house for what seemed like hours and then thanked me for coming and told me she would see me again soon. I woke up after that knowing it was my baby that I didn't get to meet. Its amazing how they come to you when you least expect it.
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterVicki
Yes, Vicki, it seems to come when you least expect it.

It is amazing, all these dreams. I have had a friend tell me her dream feels real, not surreal at all. Not like watching a movie, but that she was truly there, and can still touch, smell, feel everything in the dream.
August 15, 2008 | Registered Commenterjanis
I began having the dream when I was pregnant: ...she is running barefoot, and laughing, through Seth’s [her father] backyard. Her hair is black, and done up in a tiny ponytail. A few wisps of hair straggle free. She is wearing a white sundress, scattered with blue roses. She picks daisies as she runs, and the sun shines all golden on the grass. She is laughing, and her eyes meet mine. She is not more than two years old, and even though I am right there, I cannot touch her. No matter how hard I try, I cannot ever reach her ...

I had the dream once, and then again. That second time I woke up bleeding. She came swiftly, much too early, black of hair and long-fingered, just like her father. She died after taking two breaths.

She would be old enough to have her own children now, and still I have the dream.

She is still laughing. And still, I cannot reach her. I have long thought that the night I can take her in my arms is the night I will die.
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBeth
I've never dreamed of Maddy (at least that I remember) in a manner where she is alive, well, or grown up. Nor do I feel I have heard her or otherwise been visited by her. I go back and forth as to whether I believe in that stuff, or if I'm just not looking/listening hard enough. Sadly, any dream I have of her is a variation of the nightmare. HOWEVER: I've written this before elsewhere, but this is the only "sign" I seem to have received, and I'm not even sure what it means:

Someone gave us two lilacs as a gift after she died, one for her, one for Bella. There was a freak snow the week they arrived, I kept them watered, and put them in the ground as soon as I could. I didn't want to assign them, but of course we did, and sure enough: Maddy's died. Bella's flourished. After weeks of warm weather, Bella's was a leafy bush, Maddy's was a dead stick in the ground. After accepting that the gig was up, one morning I got online and ordered a new lilac from the same company. Immediately got up, went out to pull the stick out, and there were tiny buds on it. It's now a small bush, and we have a third lilac in the bed, "for the dogs."
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commentertash
I don't believe in ghosts or goblins BUT...when I was 16 or 17, I was out on my own, having a horrid day and thinking of moving home. That night I dreampt that my mother cradled me in her arms and I cried and cried...when I woke up, I could feel her, smell her-she was there!

Never since, but that was always enough to make me wonder...
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterthordora
That is an incredible story, Janis, about your friend, L. Incredible. I want to believe it, too. So badly.

I did the same thing after reading that passage in Life Touches Life. Searched for my son in the middle of the night, hoping he would come to visit me like what was described in the book. He hasn't or at least I don't think he has.

I want so desperately to believe in things like this. So desperately. I have a friend who says that when I say things like this, it sounds like I'm seeking permission to believe. And maybe I am, because, in my mind, it is crazy. Totally, completely crazy. And only because I can't hold proof of it in my hands. I don't know what's crazier, though, believing in something or believing in nothing at all?
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterc.
I wish I could feel or see something of my daughter who died, but it hasn't happened. However, I had a dream about four months after she died of breastfeeding my beautiful live baby with curly reddish hair. My daughter who died had very blonde hair. I woke up in tears, so upset, such a cruel dream. About a week later, I found out I was pregnant again. My living daughter has curly reddish hair.
August 15, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkari
I've lost 3 babies, a singleton and a set of twins, in the past two years. In both cases, it was from premature labor during the 2nd trimester. I lost Siggy in April, 2006; I was in the hospital where they were desperately trying to stop my contractions, and I dreamed about a little boy telling me it would be okay, he'd be back, but I had to do something first. The next day I went into complete labor, had a boy (we hadn't learned the sex in advance), and he died after about two hours.

The second pregnancy with the twins (Summer 2007) I had "irritable uterus", ended up in the hospital on bed rest, and had recently had labor stopped when I had the dream. We again hadn't learned what we were having, but I dreamed of a little boy and little girl, very happy, letting me know that they needed to be here for a little while. The next night I went into labor and delivered a stillborn girl and a boy who died shortly after.

I don't know what to think about the dreams I had. I would like to think that everything has a purpose, and that my children were truly communicating with me. I dreamed about the correct genders, even though we didn't find out what we were having, and each baby gave me a message of hope. I still cry about them a little bit each day, but thinking/knowing that they talked to me and comforted me makes it a millimeter less difficult.

I just discovered this site, and I'm glad it exists. So many people think they know what I'm going through, but they don't. It's good to have a place where the people who know can share their thoughts.
August 16, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAuntieM
I'm glad you found us, AuntieM, and thank you for sharing your dreams.

C., I think I have the issue too of thinking it's crazy. I actually was told that I am still "holding bacl", still not believing with 100% abandon. I would not say I'm a hard-core scientific type, and still... ...

Amazing dreams, everyone. Thank you so much for sharing. I feel a bit less insane. xoxo
August 16, 2008 | Registered Commenterjanis
My Aunt had a visit from her still born daughter shortly after her loss. Just a tiny baby lying sweetly on the bed, but it was a comfort. My grandfather came back to comfort my grandma, some thirty years ago. And likewise, two years ago my husband's grandpa came back frequently to comfort his widow.

and similarly, but not the same at all I had a vision of my second daughter while I was considering the possibility of my first being an only child.

I wish that everyone could have the comfort and encouragement that my family has had.
August 16, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterTraci
wow, janis, your post and subsequent comments intrigue me and calm my heart.
my grandma visits me in dreams about twice a year. i always, always am aware during these dreams that she is just visiting me for a short time, that she is still deceased, and to enjoy it while I can. She is always in great spirits and great health and we eat, dance, hug, and just talk. They are always such peaceful, loving visits.
in terms of the spirit world, it helps me to remember the quote that "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. But rather we are spiritual beings having a human experience". And to me, it makes so much sense that we would still be quite connected to the spirit world.
Loving you.
August 19, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMereMortal
My friends were murdered (Virginia Tech); on that Monday night, we knew that one was dead and another was "missing", and we knew she was severely injured at best. Turns out they had both died, but we still had that hope. I didn't when I woke up.

I think I slept about an hour that night, after crying myself dry. And in that hour, I saw them for the last time. I'm not spiritual or religious in any way, but sometimes I think they gave me a memory-that's-not-really-a-memory, so my last vision was not them lying cold and bereft at their funerals.

It sucked, it sucks, and I wish so deeply that it had never happened. I do hope quietly every night that they arrive in my dreams.
August 22, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAnon
Oh, anonymous. I wish the same. My heart to you. Big, huge, squashy hug from all of us. What you've experienced is a whole different brand of shock and wrongness and grief, and I'm so sorry for that. You're walking around with a hole in your heart too. What you describe seeing, that gift, that last vision - I had the same experience. I'm glad you did too.
xo
August 22, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterkate
Oh goodness, Anonymous. I've been out of town so a bit late, but I want to send you a big hug too. What a shock, and sudden brutal loss. I am glad you have a beautiful, breathing vision of your two friends. This is indeed true... I have always wondered, does death means a period(.), or, is it an ellipsis (...)?? Is there a continuation after, that can only be seen/experienced only one has "passed to the other side"? I dunno.
Holding you in my heart, and hoping you find a connection soon. ((hugs))
August 24, 2008 | Registered Commenterjanis

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